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在周一1月6日的听证会上,你可能错过了一些戏剧性的细节

2022-06-14 10:12  -ABC   - 

周一,经过近两个小时,主席本尼·汤普森宣布了众议院1月6日委员会的决议本月第二次听证会公开公布长达11个月的调查结果,该委员会称,前总统唐纳德·特朗普处于“旨在推翻总统的多步阴谋”的中心选举。"

周一的听证会使用了特朗普核心圈子的第一手资料,包括他的女儿、女婿、前竞选经理和前司法部长,重点关注他如何向数百万支持者推销2020年偷来的竞选的“大谎言”,尽管他几乎所有的顾问——除了最明显的鲁迪·朱利安尼——都告诉他,他输给了乔·拜登。

该委员会表示,特朗普继续从他的毫无根据的主张中筹集了2.5亿美元,委员会成员认为这是迫使人们在去年的致命暴动中冲击国会大厦的关键。

汤普森在周一的听证会上说:“我们将讲述唐纳德·特朗普(Donald Trump)如何输掉选举,并知道自己输掉了选举,以及由于他的失败,决定对我们的民主发起攻击——通过试图剥夺你在我们的民主中的发言权来攻击美国人民。”“这样做点燃了导致1月6日可怕暴力的导火索,当时他的一群支持者冲进了国会大厦,这是唐纳德·特朗普派来阻止权力移交的。”

在现场和录音证词中,前特朗普政府官员和共和党州选举官员都回忆说,他告诉白宫和他的竞选团队,没有普遍的欺诈行为,但无济于事。

“[特朗普]背叛了美国人民的信任。他无视选民的意愿。他欺骗了他的支持者和整个国家。汤普森在他的开幕词中说:“在人民投票选举他下台,法院支持人民的意愿之后,他试图继续执政。

这是听证会的中心主题:特朗普知道他削弱2020年大选的非凡努力没有任何价值,但他一直在努力超越对结果的正常挑战的界限。就特朗普而言,他继续称调查是出于政治动机,并表示他没有做错任何事。

该委员会副主席、怀俄明州共和党人利兹·切尼(Liz Cheney)周一概述了特朗普如何被一些助手敦促不要在选举之夜宣布胜利,并被告知“更多”的民主党选民将通过邮件投票,这意味着他们的投票将会更慢,结果还不是最终结果——但特朗普“拒绝了他的竞选专家在选举之夜的建议,而是遵循了显然喝醉的鲁迪·朱利安尼(Rudy Giuliani)建议的路线,”切尼说。

以下是听证会的一些其他要点。

特朗普的核心圈子一再告诉他,这些说法是假的

该委员会使用至少10名个人的录音证词,展示了特朗普最亲密的顾问如何在选举后的几周内反复告诉他们的老板,没有证据表明存在广泛的欺诈行为,这说明——根据该委员会的陈述——特朗普是如何知道真相但却忽视它的。

在听证会的顶部,该委员会播放了一段目击者的视频汇编,描述了2020年大选之夜福克斯新闻频道为拜登在亚利桑那州打电话后在白宫的场景——包括对特朗普前竞选经理比尔·斯戴普恩(他在妻子分娩后不得不意外地退出周一的现场作证)以及特朗普的女儿的采访伊万卡·特朗普和女婿贾里德·库什纳。

伊万卡·特朗普在之前录制的视频中告诉委员会,她对她父亲在选举当晚应该说些什么没有“坚定的看法”,而他的竞选发言人杰森·米勒告诉调查人员,“绝对喝醉了”的朱利安尼正在推动特朗普宣布胜利。(朱利安尼一再否认他有酗酒问题或酒精对他的行为有不良影响的说法。)

“实际上,朱利安尼市长是在说我们赢了,”米勒在选举之夜的录音证词中说,“实质上,任何不同意这一点的人都是软弱的。”

在自己预先录制的证词中,当被问及他是否曾与总统分享过他对朱利安尼的看法,以及他对特朗普说了什么时,库什纳回忆说,他告诉他,“基本上,如果我是你,我不会采取这种方法。”

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当被问及特朗普的反应时,库什纳回忆说,总统说,“我对鲁迪有信心。”

在其他值得注意的证词中,特朗普白宫律师埃里克·赫希曼(Eric Herschmann)重申,特朗普在选举后几周支持的关于自治领投票机的阴谋没有说服力。“我从来没有看到任何支持这些指控的证据,”在切尼将这些指控描述为“与已故委内瑞拉共产党人的广泛阴谋”后,他说。

但特朗普的前司法部长比尔·巴尔(Bill Barr)周一提供了一些最引人注目的证词,他似乎很高兴有机会在录音证词中讲述自己的观点——尽管在公开场合,他走了一条微妙的路线:广泛支持总统,同时指出他具体的选举欺诈指控是虚假的。

巴尔提出了他对特朗普思维的看法

根据周一播放的巴尔向该委员会作证的视频摘录,他描述了11月下旬与特朗普的一次会面,当时他告诉特朗普,总统对选举不当行为的指控不成立。巴尔对众议院调查人员直言不讳,称特朗普的声明是“虚假和愚蠢的”、“白痴的”、“令人不安的”和“完全胡说八道的”,以及他证词中的其他描述。

“我说,”巴尔回忆道,“司法部在选举中不偏袒任何一方,而且司法部也不是你的法律团队的延伸。我们的职责是调查欺诈,如果它是具体的、可信的,并且可能影响了选举结果,我们会调查。我们正在这样做,他们只是没有价值。他们没有淘出。”(正如巴尔指出的那样,他在2020年大选后的几天里告诉DOJ的律师调查可能的欺诈行为——拜登的团队当时认为这一不同寻常的举动旨在削弱他的胜利。)

巴尔说,在2020年11月下旬的会议后,特朗普的幕僚长马克·梅多斯告诉他,特朗普“变得更加现实”,库什纳说,“我们正在努力解决这个问题。“但特朗普没有退缩。

该委员会随后播放了巴尔回忆12月与特朗普会面的视频,此前他告诉美联社没有选举欺诈的证据,巴尔回忆说,“总统是我见过的最疯狂的人,他试图控制自己,”

“特朗普说,‘你没必要这么说,你一定是因为讨厌特朗普才这么说的,’”巴尔记得,接着说他担心特朗普的精神状态。

“如果他真的相信这些东西,他就会变得脱离现实,”巴尔说他正在思考。"从来没有迹象表明人们对事实真相感兴趣。"

巴尔还提到并嘲笑了电影《2000头骡子》(2,000 Mules),这是一部由保守派活动人士迪内希·帝索萨拍摄的充满阴谋的电影,川普鼓励支持者观看。

“我觉得在选举前,和总统讲道理是可能的。虽然你有时不得不参与,你知道,一个大的摔跤比赛,这是有可能保持事情的正轨。但我觉得选举后他似乎没有在听,”巴尔告诉委员会。“我不认为——你知道——如果他不听我或内阁秘书们的建议,我会倾向于不留下来。”

委员会成立了“普通队”对鲁迪队

加利福尼亚州民主党众议员佐伊·洛夫格伦(Zoe Lofgren)帮助指导该委员会周一的听证会,概述了特朗普团队在2020年总统大选后的几天和几周内的两个竞争阵营。

洛夫格伦说,一方由时任特朗普竞选经理的斯泰皮恩领导,另一方是围绕前纽约市长朱利安尼组织的,朱利安尼是特朗普的长期知己,也是他的私人律师之一。

在他预先录制的证词中,Stepien告诉委员会,特朗普在选举日之后日益增长的不满为朱利安尼、律师悉尼·鲍威尔和其他人变得更有影响力“铺平了道路”。朱利安尼和鲍威尔带头散布关于欺诈的虚假说法,并在法庭上就此问题提起诉讼。

“我们称他们为我的团队和鲁迪的团队,”斯特皮恩说。“我不介意被归类为‘普通团队’,就像记者们在那个时候开始做的那样。”

Stepien补充说,他不认为选举后发生的事情是“诚实或专业的”,所以他走开了。前特朗普白宫律师赫希曼(Herschmann)将朱利安尼阵营的观点描述为“疯子”。

斯特皮恩和另一名高级竞选顾问杰森·米勒都作证说,朱利安尼是在选举之夜向特朗普施压要求他获胜的人,当时选票统计还远未完成。

米勒声称朱利安尼提出这个建议时“肯定是喝醉了”。

2.5亿美元的资金来自欺诈指控

根据他们的调查,该委员会还概述了特朗普在2020年竞选后为法庭斗争筹集的2.5亿美元实际上很少用于他的选后辩护,洛夫格伦称“弥天大谎”是“大骗局”。

“特朗普竞选团队利用这些选举欺诈的虚假指控,从支持者那里筹集了数亿美元,这些支持者被告知,他们的捐款将用于法庭上的法律斗争。但特朗普竞选团队没有用这笔钱,”洛夫格伦在开场白中说。

该委员会的高级调查顾问阿曼达·维克(Amanda Wick)在周一听证会结束时播放的一段视频中表示,该委员会发现,特朗普反复要求人们捐款的“官方选举辩护特朗普”实际上并不存在。该委员会播放了两名特朗普竞选官员的证词摘录,似乎证实了这一点。

威克说,竞选团队发送了数百万封电子邮件,要求支持者捐款,有时每天多达25封。

“正如特别委员会已经证明的那样,特朗普竞选团队知道这些选民欺诈的说法是错误的,但他们继续通过电子邮件向小额捐款人发送大量邮件,”威克说。

当被问及说该基金是另一种“营销策略”是否“公平”时,前特朗普竞选团队数字总监加里·科尔比(Gary Colby)说“是的”。

特朗普在2020年大选后成立的政治行动委员会“拯救美国”获得了数亿美元。根据1月6日的委员会,该组织已经向马克·梅多斯的慈善基金会、美国第一政策研究所、特朗普酒店财产等提供了资金。

切尼预览下一次听证会

该委员会将于美国东部时间周三上午10点公开复会,举行本月第三次电视听证会。

虽然该委员会周一的重点是特朗普在选举日及其后的行动,但切尼表示,未来几天将取决于他对1月6日的更广泛规划。

她说,这将包括特朗普“腐败”司法部的计划,以及他与律师约翰·伊斯曼的谈话,“以向副总统、州立法机构、州官员和其他人施压,推翻选举”。"

切尼随后播放了一个剪辑,取笑当时的白宫律师赫斯曼说,他与伊士曼的谈话。

“我对他说,‘你疯了吗?我说我只想从现在开始听到你嘴里说出两个词:有序过渡,”赫希曼在视频中说。

Dramatic details you may have missed in Monday's Jan. 6 hearing

After nearly two hours on Monday, Chairman Bennie Thompson gaveled out the House Jan. 6 committee'ssecond hearing this monthto publicly unveil the findings of an 11-month-long investigation which found, the committee said, that former PresidentDonald Trumpwas at the center of a "multistep conspiracy aimed at overturning the presidentialelection."

Monday's hearing used firsthand accounts from Trump's inner circle -- including his daughter, son-in-law, former campaign manager and former attorney general -- to focus on how he pushed the "big lie" of a stolen 2020 race to millions of supporters even though almost all of his advisers -- except, most notably, Rudy Giuliani -- told him that he had lost to Joe Biden.

The committee said Trump went on to fundraise $250 million off of his baseless claim, which committee members cast as key in compelling people to storm the Capitol in the deadly insurrection last year.

"We will tell the story of how Donald Trump lost an election and knew he lost an election and, as a result of his loss, decided to wage an attack on our democracy -- an attack on the American people by trying to rob you of your voice in our democracy," Thompson said at Monday's hearing. "And in doing so, lit the fuse that led to horrific violence on Jan. 6, when a mob of his supporters stormed the Capitol, sent by Donald Trump to stop the transfer of power."

In live and taped testimony, both former Trump administration officials and GOP state election officials recounted telling his White House and his campaign that there was no widespread fraud -- but to no avail.

"[Trump] betrayed the trust of the American people. He ignored the will of the voters. He lied to his supporters and the country. And he tried to remain in office after the people had voted him out and the courts upheld the will of the people," Thompson said in his opening statement.

This was the hearing's central theme: Trump knew his extraordinary efforts to undercut the 2020 election had no merit, but he kept pushing well beyond the limits of normal challenges to the results. Trump, for his part, continues to call the investigation politically motivated and says he did nothing wrong.

Wyoming Republican Liz Cheney, the committee's vice chair, outlined on Monday how Trump was urged by some aides not to declare victory on election night and was informed that "many more" Democratic voters would vote by mail, meaning their votes would be coming in more slowly and the results were not yet final -- but Trump "rejected the advice of his campaign experts on election night, and instead followed the course recommended by an apparently inebriated Rudy Giuliani," Cheney said.

Here are some other key takeaways from the hearing.

Trump's inner circle repeatedly told him claims were false

Using taped testimony from at least 10 individuals, the committee showed how Trump's closest advisers repeatedly told their boss in the weeks after the election that there was no evidence of widespread fraud, illustrating -- according to the committee's presentation -- how Trump knew the truth but ignored it.

At the top of the hearing, the committee played a video compilation of witnesses describing the scene at the White House on election night in 2020 after Fox News called Arizona for Biden -- including interviews with Trump's former campaign manager Bill Stepien (who had to unexpectedly back out of testifying live on Monday after his wife went into labor), as well as Trump's daughterIvanka Trumpand son-in-lawJared Kushner.

Ivanka Trump told the committee in previously taped video that she didn't have a "firm view" of what her dad should have said the night of the election, while his campaign spokesman Jason Miller told investigators that a "definitely intoxicated" Giuliani was pushing for Trump to declare victory. (Giuliani has repeatedly dismissed claims that he has a drinking problem or that alcohol adversely affects his behavior.)

"Effectively, Mayor Giuliani was saying we won it," Miller said in taped testimony of what happened on election night, "and essentially that anyone who didn't agree to that was being weak."

Asked during his own pre-recorded testimony if he ever shared his view of Giuliani with the president, and what he told Trump, Kushner recalled telling him, "Basically, not the approach I would take if I were you."

Asked how Trump reacted, Kushner recalled the president saying, "I have confidence in Rudy."

In other notable testimony, Trump White House lawyer Eric Herschmann reiterated that the Trump-backed conspiracy about Dominion voting machines in the weeks after the election was not persuasive. "I never saw any evidence whatsoever to sustain those allegations," he said after Cheney characterized the allegations as "far-flung conspiracies with deceased Venezuelan communists allegedly pulling the strings."

But Trump's former Attorney General Bill Barr offered some of the most striking testimony on Monday, appearing to revel in the chance to tell his side in taped testimony -- though publicly he has walked a fine line: broadly supporting the president while calling out his specific election fraud claims as false.

Barr offers his view of Trump's thinking

According to video excerpts of Barr's testimony to the committee that were played Monday, he described a meeting with Trump in late November where he told Trump the president's allegations of election wrongdoing weren't holding up. Barr spoke bluntly to House investigators, calling Trump's statements "bogus and silly," "idiotic," "disturbing" and "complete nonsense," among other characterizations in his testimony.

"I said," Barr recalled, "the Department [of Justice] doesn't take sides in elections, and the department is not an extension of your legal team. And our role is to investigate fraud, and we'll look at something if it's specific, credible and could've affected the outcome of the election. And we're doing that, and they're just not meritorious. They're not panning out." (As Barr noted, he told DOJ attorneys in the days after the 2020 election to probe possible fraud -- an unusual move that Biden's team at the time argued was meant to undercut his victory.)

After his late-November 2020 meeting, Barr said, Trump's chief of staff Mark Meadows told him that Trump "was becoming more realistic" and Kushner said, 'We're working on this." But Trump did not back down.

The committee then played video of Barr recalling a December meeting with Trump after he told theAssociated Pressthat there was no evidence of election fraud, with Barr recalling that "the president was as mad as I've ever seen him, and he was trying to control himself,"

"Trump said, 'You didn't have to say this, you must've said this because you hate Trump,'" Barr remembered, going on to say he was concerned for Trump's state of mind.

"He's become detached from reality if he really believes this stuff," Barr said he was thinking. "There was never an indication in interest in what the actual facts were."

Barr also mentioned -- and laughed at -- the movie "2,000 Mules," a conspiracy-laden film by conservative activist Dinesh D'Souza that Trump has encouraged supporters to watch.

"I felt that before the election, it was possible to talk sense to the president. And while you sometimes had to engage in, you know, a big wrestling match with him, that it was possible to keep things on track. But I felt that after the election he didn't seem to be listening," Barr told the committee. "And I didn't think it was -- you know -- that I was inclined not to stay around if he wasn't listening to advice from me or the Cabinet secretaries."

Committee establishes 'Team Normal' versus Team Rudy

Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-Calif., helping guide Monday's hearing for the committee, outlined two competing camps in the Trump team in the days and weeks following the 2020 presidential race.

Lofgren said one side was helmed by Stepien, who was then Trump's campaign manager, and the other was organized around Giuliani, a former New York City mayor, longtime Trump confidant and one of his personal attorneys.

In his pre-taped testimony, Stepien told the committee that Trump's growing unhappiness after Election Day "paved the way" for Giuliani, attorney Sidney Powell and others to become more influential. Giuliani and Powell took the lead in spreading false claims about fraud and litigating the issue in court.

"We called them my team and Rudy's team," Stepien said. "I didn't mind being categorized as 'Team Normal' as reporters started to do at that point in time."

Stepien added that he didn't think what was happening after the election was "honest or professional," so he stepped away. Herschmann, the former Trump White House lawyer, described the arguments being made by the Giuliani camp as "nuts."

Stepien and Jason Miller, another top campaign adviser, both testified that Giuliani was the one pressuring Trump to claim victory on election night, when the vote tally was nowhere near complete.

Miller claimed Giuliani was "definitely intoxicated" when he made that suggestion.

$250 million fundraised off fraudulent claims of fraud

The committee also outlined, according to their investigation, how little of the $250 million raised by Trump for his court battles after the 2020 race actually went to his post-election defense, with Lofgren calling the "big lie" a "big rip-off."

"The Trump campaign used these false claims of election fraud to raise hundreds of millions of dollars from supporters who were told their donations were for the legal fight in the courts. But the Trump campaign didn't use the money for that," Lofgren said in her opening statement.

A senior investigative counsel to the committee, Amanda Wick, said in a video played at the end of Monday's hearing that the committee found the "Official Election Defense Trump" to which Trump repeatedly asked people to contribute money did not, in fact, exist. The committee played excerpts of testimony from two Trump campaign officials appearing to confirm this.

Wick said the campaign sent millions of emails asking supporters to donate, sometimes as many as 25 emails per day.

"As the select committee has demonstrated, the Trump campaign knew these claims of voter fraud were false yet they continued to barrage small-dollar donors with emails," Wick said.

When asked if it was "fair" to say the fund was another "marketing tactic," former Trump campaign digital director Gary Colby said "yes."

Hundreds of millions of dollars went into Save America, Trump's political action committee formed after the 2020 election. The group has given money to Mark Meadows's charitable foundation, the American First Policy institute, Trump hotel properties and more, according to the Jan. 6 committee.

Cheney previews next hearing

The panel will publicly reconvene on Wednesday at 10 a.m. ET to hold its third televised hearing this month.

While the committee focused Monday on Trump's actions on Election Day and immediately after, Cheney said the coming days would pan out to his broader planning for Jan. 6.

That will include Trump's plan to "corrupt" the Department of Justice," she said, as well as his conversations with attorney John Eastman "to pressure the vice president, state legislatures, state officials and others to overturn the election."

Cheney then aired a clip teasing a conversation that Herschmann, the White House lawyer at the time, said he had with Eastman.

"I said to him, 'Are you out of your f------ mind? I said I only want to hear two words coming out of your mouth from now on: orderly transition," Herschmann said in the video.

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