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特朗普在乔·罗根等播客的帮助下再次当选

2025-07-16 10:20 -ABC  -  279139

  总统唐纳德·特朗普由于政府对爱泼斯坦文件的处理以及在伊朗-以色列冲突中的深入参与,他正面临着来自MAGA基地的越来越强烈的反弹,这种分裂在去年帮助推动他重返权力的许多播客和喜剧演员中尤为明显。

  特朗普在2024年竞选期间拥抱播客作为接触传统渠道以外受众的重要媒体战略,并在乔·罗根、安德鲁·舒尔茨和西奥·冯等喜剧演员主持的播客上高调亮相。

  现在,刚刚上任六个多月,许多主持人正在利用他们的节目公开与总统决裂,因为他们说总统违背了竞选承诺,特别是他的承诺铲齿关于公布与已定罪的性犯罪者杰弗瑞·爱泼斯坦有关的文件以及他保证避免新的外国纠纷。

  在特朗普上周表示这是一个“浪费”时间谈到爱泼斯坦,舒尔茨在2024年竞选期间主持了特朗普的“明目张胆”播客,并表示他投票支持总统,称特朗普的言论是“侮辱”。

  “所以我们是愚蠢的,”舒尔茨在他的播客的最新一集里说。“我们在浪费时间...说真的,我认为,现在让人们愤怒的是,它在侮辱我们的智慧。”

  舒尔茨接着谈到特朗普:“他竞选时的一切,我相信他都想做——现在他正在做的事情与每一件该死的事情完全相反。”

  “他正在做的事情与我投票支持的事情完全相反。我想让他停止战争,他在资助战争。我希望他缩减开支,减少预算,但他却在增加预算,”舒尔茨说。

  这位“明目张胆”的主持人并不是唯一一位在2024年支持特朗普的播客,但最近他公开反对总统。

  罗根可能是世界上最大的播客,他在最近一集的“乔·罗根体验”中说,特朗普的基础在总统如何处理对外战争上出现了裂痕。

  “我认为整个MAGA的事情现在是非常分裂的,特别是因为他们投票赞成的事情之一就是不要战争,”罗根告诉客人伯尼·桑德斯。“嗯,现在看来我们好像在打仗。这很快,我们已经进行了六个月,这已经实现了。”

  罗根,他也最近受到批评特朗普咄咄逼人的移民镇压是“f - ing nuts”,也为众议员托马斯·马西(Thomas Massie)辩护,他是反对伊朗参与的国会议员,面临特朗普及其盟友的尖锐攻击。这一批评标志着罗根的巨大转变,他在2024年对特朗普的支持成为国际头条新闻,被视为对竞选的重大推动。

  冯在竞选期间接待了特朗普和副总统JD Vance,并在上个月与特朗普一起出现在卡塔尔,他也开始表达对总统放弃“美国第一”承诺的担忧。

  “我觉得这应该是美国第一,就像,我们专注于我们正在做什么让事情回到美国,”冯本周说。“现在我们被困在这里,感觉我们只是在为以色列工作。我认为,对许多人来说,你真的会很快开始感到失望。”

  与此同时,喜剧演员蒂姆·狄龙(Tim Dillon)也在选举前采访了万斯,他利用最近的播客节目批评特朗普政府,批评的问题包括伊朗局势可能升级、政府与卡塔尔的关系以及政府对埃隆·马斯克(Elon Musk)的授权。

  “伊朗是没人买得起房子的原因吗?伊朗是到处都是芬太尼的原因吗?”狄龙在最近的一次节目中问道。"当你的保险不包括膝盖手术时,你主要关心的是伊朗吗?"

  帮助特朗普重返白宫的联盟内部日益增长的裂痕来自他通常忠诚的MAGA以外,其中包括以下人物史蒂夫·班农还有劳拉·卢默。现在批评特朗普的许多播客和喜剧演员主要没有政治观众,但在竞选期间为扩大特朗普的影响力发挥了关键作用。

  提姆·米勒是MAGA base的长期记录者和评论家,也是广受欢迎的Bulwark播客的主持人,他告诉ABC新闻,一些播客开始公开反对总统只是时间问题。

  “他们都有相当自由的思想,”米勒谈到罗根和冯这样的人物时说。"他们怀疑对外战争,怀疑政府."米勒说,特朗普对他们来说是一个反建制的人物,是“他们反传统、反建制观点的容器”。

  但现在,“特朗普成了当权派。他就是政府,”米勒说。

  米勒说,播客们的不满“来自外国战争和政府特工从街上绑架人们,这并不奇怪”。"这是对他们普遍的、怀疑的、反体制的风气的直接冒犯。"

  米勒说,这种转变可能会在未来的选举中带来政治后果,特别是如果罗根和冯这样的声音影响了对当权派失望的选民。

  “即使是MAGA基地的少数人,如果他们幻灭了,他们可能不会出来,”米勒说。“这些正是特朗普在2016年和2024年动员的低频选民。”

  “如果他们对特朗普正在做的事情不感到兴奋,很难想象他们会出现,”他说。

Trump was reelected with help from podcasters like Joe Rogan. Is he losing their support over Epstein and Iran?

  PresidentDonald Trumpis facing mounting backlash from his MAGA base over his administration's handling of the Epstein files and its deepening involvement in the Iran-Israel conflict -- and the splintering is especially evident among many of the podcasters and comedians who helped propel his return to power last year.

  During his 2024 campaign, Trumpembraced podcastsas a key media strategy to reach audiences beyond traditional outlets, and made high-profile campaign appearances on podcasts hosted by comedians like Joe Rogan, Andrew Schulz, and Theo Von.

  Now, just over six months into his presidency, many of those same hosts are using their shows to publicly break with the president over campaign promises they say he's gone back on -- particularly hisbacking offon releasing files connected to convicted sex offender Jeffery Epstein and his pledge to avoid new foreign entanglements.

  After Trump said last week that it was a"waste" of timeto talk about Epstein, Schulz -- who hosted Trump on his "Flagrant" podcast during the 2024 campaign and says that he voted for the president -- called Trump's comments "insulting."

  "So we're stupid," Schulz said on the latest episode of his podcast. "We're wasting time ... in all seriousness, that is, I think, what is enraging people right now, is it's insulting our intelligence."

  Schulz went on to say of Trump: "Everything he campaigned on, I believe he wanted to do -- and now he's doing the exact opposite thing of every single f---ing thing."

  "He's doing the exact opposite of everything I've voted for. I want him to stop the wars, he's funding them. I want him to shrink spending, reduce the budget, he's increasing it," Schulz said.

  The "Flagrant" host isn't the only podcaster who backed Trump in 2024 but has recently spoken out against the president.

  Rogan, perhaps the biggest podcaster in the world, said on a recent episode of "The Joe Rogan Experience" that Trump's base was fracturing over how the president was handling foreign wars.

  "I think the whole MAGA thing right now is very divided, particularly because one of the things they voted for was no war," Rogan told guest Bernie Sanders. "Well, now it seems like we're in a war. It's quick, we're six months in, and that's already popped off."

  Rogan, who alsorecently criticizedTrump's aggressive immigration crackdown as "f---ing nuts," also defended Rep. Thomas Massie, a vocal congressional opponent of Iran involvement who has faced sharp attacks from Trump and his allies. The criticism marks a dramatic shift for Rogan, whose 2024 endorsement of Trump made international headlines and was seen as a major boost for the campaign.

  Von, who hosted both Trump and Vice President JD Vance during the campaign and appeared with Trump in Qatar last month, has also started expressing concerns that the president is abandoning his "America First" pledge.

  "I felt like it was supposed to be America First, like, we're focusing on what are we doing to get things back into America," Von said this week. "And then now that we're caught up here, and it feels like we are just working for Israel. I think to a lot of people, you just really start to feel very disillusioned pretty quickly."

  Meanwhile, comedian Tim Dillon, who also interviewed Vance before the election, has used recent podcast episodes to deliver critiques of the Trump administration over issues ranging from the potential escalation in Iran to the administration's relationship with Qatar and its empowering of Elon Musk.

  "Is Iran the reason that no one can afford a house? Is Iran the reason that there's fentanyl everywhere?" Dillon asked during a recent show. "When your insurance won't cover a knee operation, is your main concern Iran?"

  The growing fractures within the coalition that helped return Trump to the White House are coming from outside his typically loyal MAGA wing, which includes figures likeSteve Bannonand Laura Loomer. Many of the podcasters and comedians who are now criticizing Trump don't have primarily political audiences -- but played a key role in expanding Trump's reach during the campaign.

  Tim Miller, a longtime chronicler and critic of the MAGA base and host of the popular Bulwark podcast, told ABC News that it was just a matter of time before some of those podcasters began speaking out against the president.

  "They're all pretty libertarian-minded," Miller said of figures like Rogan and Von. "They are skeptical of foreign wars, skeptical of government." Trump, Miller said, appealed to them as an anti-establishment figure and "a vessel for their contrarian, anti-establishment views."

  But now, "Trump becomes the establishment. He is the government," Miller said.

  That the podcasters' dissatisfaction "comes over foreign wars and government agents snatching people off the streets isn't that surprising," Miller said. "It's a direct affront to their general, skeptical, anti-establishment ethos."

  That shift could carry political consequences in future elections, especially if voices like Rogan and Von influence voters who are disillusioned with the establishment, Miller said.

  "Even if it's a minority of the MAGA base, if they're disillusioned, they might not turn out," Miller said. "And these are exactly the kinds of lower-frequency voters Trump mobilized in 2016 and 2024."

  "If they're not excited about what Trump is doing, it's hard to imagine them showing up," he said.

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